[philball1974]

Spencer I think you missed my point. I wasn't saying you use it as a marketing tool but that your influence here is golden! You say le matos (as an example) is good and we all but it! Fuck Twitter and Facebook, what you have built here IS a community.

The way I see it is if you, Seb, WW or any other company didn't frequent then It would lose its appeal to me. As much as we disagree and don't see eye to eye sometimes it is you guys that bond it together.

[Whip Wilson]

The SBTCers that are cognizant of my posts here know that I'm not interested in shining anyone on. Not that I'm some hard case, mind you, just honest and (mostly) cordial. I've heaped my share of both concern and praise on this board. That said, I think it is probably very difficult for any label head, but specifically Seb and Spence, who doesn't use this site solely as a marketing tool to come to STBC and read some of the more pointless bitching that can be found here. To be fair, we get less of it than any other board I've ever been associated with, but that doesn't lessen the sting. This isn't Facebook and this isn't Twitter. We are not simply anonymous avatars, dollar signs, order numbers, or internet trolls to these guys. They started this site to build a community for like minded folks and they have succeeded, but achieving their shared vision meant participating here as well. That was part of their dream. Now they are adults who run successful businesses and they absolutely benefit from this forum, but so do we. We get advance notice, special deals, inside info, access to private collections, etc so it is a good deal for everyone. Heck, they even let us chase down lost orders and replacement jackets 'round these parts. These labels are run by normal folks. Folks who started this board to interact with other folks who share a passion for vinyl and soundtracks. A passion that led them to actually go out and create record labels. Labels that we love and in turn followed to said board. The tiny house at the end of the long driveway is this: Don't hide your opinions, but be civil. That doesn't mean that every time you post that a certain records just isn't your style you have to say, "This really isn't for me, but you're the coolest guy in the whole wide world and I love you and I'll probably buy three copies anyway lol!!!!1one1!" Just don't say, "This release is stupid/I missed out on a variant so fuck you guys and I hope you die in a hotel fire." Use your brain and treat them like you want them to treat you. If even the simple majority of us do that, this place will largely police itself. Cheers.

[toosoonjunior]

I've discovered so much great music based solely only DW/OWS and other user recommendations on this forum. STBC has opened my world up. That's one of the best things about this forum. And yeah, getting the jump on some of the DW/OWS/WW releases is great perk too. I'd hate to lose all of that, of course.

[The Cult Leader]

[toosoonjunior]

^Well said. I would say for the most part people do use their brains around here. Which makes the d-bags stick out even more.

[Purplemule74]

I believe I may have been one of the first folks to join the forum here - I'm just not that vocal. If I comment I want to have something legitimate to say or post something humorous.

I've expressed this sentiment before, but the problem with any media space dedicated to a select group of enthusiasts is it automatically becomes something of a love/hate relationship. You love the folks for sharing the same interest you do, but you also hate them (frustration might be a better word sometimes) because they are very picky about all kinds of things to be picky about - delivery times, sound quality, picture quality, communication... the list goes on. Also, because they share the same interests, they may beat you to the releases that you really want - and that sometimes sucks.

I don't necessarily see the negative comments going away, because as the number of members increase so does the negativity. Eventually the bubble may burst as long time readers or posters get tired of participating in or reading the sometimes childish rants of forum members.

Hopefully folks can remember to focus on their passion for the music/art in the forum and avoid barbs of our personal complaints.

BTW, I'd be willing to moderate as well, although I don't know what that entails.

[Occhionero]

II would say that I'm still a newbie here. i'm in around 5 other boards and comparing to them I can'T see that bad mood here.

I mean in no other forum I'd send a tottaly stranger money in hope to get a record. But I did and it worked. Thats the spirit and power of this community!

Why don't ban users when they don't behave!? Don't generalize, please.

And btw, I am gerrman/italian - sorry for my english!

[ironjaiden]

It's sad to see people say "man, compared to the other forums I hang around this place is downright polite!".

I'm kind of an old fucker so my social training came long before there was an internet but maybe our standards should be a little higher?

[Occhionero]

[quote=38891]It’s sad to see people say “man, compared to the other forums I hang around this place is downright polite!”.

I’m kind of an old fucker so my social training came long before there was an internet but maybe our standards should be a little higher?
[/quote]

Est. 1971

[siforster]

Why don’t ban users when they don’t behave!?


Ooh, lots of reasons. But mostly because it doesn't work, people come back angrier than before (or you accidentally ban large parts of towns/continents which is only funny for so long) and I can't be arsed with all that. Basically, people are all for moderation of messageboards, nobody wants to be moderated.
I've modded/adminned a few sites over the years and the general pattern that follows is that I am very drunk whenever I volunteer to do it again. I am very drunk now as a matter of fact so I'll bite my tongue a bit before sharing an experience or two but basically it's about walking the fine line between calling out people on bullshit and dispensing it yourself

This is an easy place to do (so far) but again I'll maybe expand a bit more when I'm soberer or whatever the word is. Compared to the cosmic levels of grief that these guys tend to get on Facebook, it's a doddle on here and I thank you all for that x

[bansel]

I have to admit I've participated with and visited the site less and less over the past few months mainly due to the negative shit. When I first joined up it was to learn about new releases, share stuff I found, discuss things we all dig and It was fun. It felt like a real community of like minded people.

Then at some point, half of the forum content turned into people bitching about fucking shipping orders coming bent or not getting there on time, etc. then is was "this label sucks" because of blah blah blah. Then on the flip side there was all this sycophantic shit praising labels/owners as gods and it was getting silly.

I agree, if you have an issue with your order, take it up with labels directly. But why here? Why not pretend the label owners don't come on here? This should NOT be a place that you call out labels cuz you think by reaching them here you will "cut to their core" and get the response you want.
I'm pretty sure when the guys started this up it was NOT to be a customer service center. OR some master marketing plan.

Can the site just go back to sharing and talking about movies and music??

[Occhionero]

I agree, if you have an issue with your order, take it up with labels directly. But why here?

Oh thats easy. I speak only for myself: I have contacted more than 5 times cause I (still) miss a delivery with no response directly. Here I get my response (unfortunately not my records ) But I did it in a kind way and I hope @spencer can confirm that.

Maybe it is because everything grows that big. So let´s all be like mods and if you and you and you think some member act like assholes tell them. So all of the kind members (and they ar in a majority here) should do.

[philball1974]

- close registrations
- close record label general threads
- Spencer, Seb et Al drop the company name and use your own (we all know who you are)
- give people badges if honour for great posting
- have a couple of stickys such as this isn't a customer service centre, record labels do not deal with you issues here
-make more friendly posts

I'm always trying to put new threads up for discussion and I see a lot fall on there ass in favour of moany fucks about not getting a download code. Maybe I'm just a boring fucker?

Anyway, there's a bunch of people on this board that make this forum ace and May that long continue.

[philball1974]

[quote=38918]Oh thats easy. I speak only for myself: I have contacted more than 5 times cause I (still) miss a delivery with no response directly, here I get my response[/quote]

Don't you see this is part of the problem? Why can't Spencer get home from work stick a record on, open a beer and shoot some shit with fans and fellow collectors? Why does he gave to come here and deal with complaints?

[Spun out of control]

This discussion surely just boils down to the old adage 'you can't please all of the people all of the time'.

Unfortunately that's just a fact of life.

My sense is though that there are a lot more passionate, engaged and positive posts on here than negative ones.

As long as people stay civil and use common courtesy I also can't see any problem in the odd bit of constructive criticism. If it's taken on board, is actually a good idea, and makes for a better product, then we're all winners. I sense/hope the labels recognise this too.

People following up on here about not receiving an order are normally pretty apologetic to start with: 'I didn't want to have to post here, but...' and I can also understand the frustration felt on certain drops with computer glitches, carts emptied etc... that's what happens when a frenzy of expectation is whipped up and people who are passionate about the music/vinyl feel locked out of the loop.

This sort of direct 'customer feedback' is surely worth its weight in gold. Also, surely it's not just about the amount of people signed up to this board compared with Facebook/Twitter, but the quality of the people on this board.

[Occhionero]

[quote=38920]

<div class="d4p-bbt-quote-title">Occhionero wrote:</div>
Oh thats easy. I speak only for myself: I have contacted more than 5 times cause I (still) miss a delivery with no response directly, here I get my response

Don’t you see this is part of the problem? Why can’t Spencer get home from work stick a record on, open a beer and shoot some shit with fans and fellow collectors? Why does he gave to come here and deal with complaints?
[/quote]

I guess that should be meant ironically. I am not good in that

[philball1974]

I wasn't being ironic!

[Occhionero]

Ok, I give up!

[siforster]

Ick, no.

Why close registrations? This is an open community, not an exclusive club. New people and everything that comes with them should be just as welcome as someone who'd heard of the place before The Fog came out.

Badges for 'great posting'? Nah - it's subjective to say the least for a startoff, and giving adults a little picture to say "well done" should stay at the Dentists where they belong.

Spencer, Seb and the other guys can do what they want with their user names here.

Record labels can do what they want with queries, complaints and anything else thrown at them here. It's up to them if they want to deal with them here, direct them elsewhere or ignore them completely.


What I'm trying to put across is that by insisting on a set of rules and regulations that don't exist here (and we're all adults here and older than the average messageboard crowd, we shouldn't need to have rules and regulations about public conversation) you're replacing one set of problems with another. I do not own or work for a label or have any proffessional connection to any of the people who do, I'm just a regular shmo here who wants to pop in, read stuff and arse about with people - some of who are now friends, some of whom are interesting acquaintances, some of whom are merely text on a screen but with (and this is the important bit) actual real people doing all the typing. There are no faceless corporations, just people - and some of the people who do own or work for labels here have been incredibly nice to us on here, whether we deserve that or not.

There is no need to have rules here, and if we do then my job changes from someone who is asked to keep a modicum of peace here (which I'll be the first to admit I've been too hesitant to do sometimes, mostly for the reasons stated above) to something in the region of Fun Police, and I - and I suspect the same of anybody else who decides to take on the role - wants to come in from work to sit down and read every post in every thread to see if everyone's obeying The Rules. I'm currently working 6 days a week, 14 hours a day and I don't want to spend my brief leisure time acting like Blakey from On The Buses because it isn't necessary.

The only thing that anyone needs to bother with on here is taking a few seconds before hitting Submit to decide on whether or not we want these words to represent us as people to the wider world.

[philball1974]

My point was that Spencer and Seb both said they have had enough of the negativity they have to deal with. I don't give a shit what they do with their usernames just suggesting a way to separate from the new people who sign up, moan about stuff and then leave.

Nothing wrong with peer based thumbs up for good content, it works in community based forums.

The idea of closed registrations is nothing new to a community forum that is expanding beyond its moderation. It's how you control numbers otherwise before you know it you have too many people and no longer have control over content.

For years I have worked with large organisations implementing sharepoint technology and that's how they keep control.

At the end of the day I'm just a member. You do what you want with it.

[DISCOSUCKS...]

I'd gladly add a +1 nom for both @static14 and @tonyandrewgiles as mods since they've nommed themselves.

Both appear to be level-headed, positive contributors to the forum. And top chaps. No idea what else qualifies someone!

[Occhionero]

At the end of the day I’m just a member.

...and (and that´s maybe the problem) a customer!

[DISCOSUCKS...]

I guess the main diff is that at least with FB they're not PAYING for the privilege of being insulted!

[static14]

Things seem to have gotten side tracked a bit but I'm still open to doing mod duties if I'm wanted.

[tonyandrewgiles]

@static - I couldn't agree more, this post seems to have gone down negative lane without much guidance.

Remember guys & girls music is what brought us here so spin them blackest circles...Unless you have a multicoloured variant