General vinyl talk here.

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By philball1974
#32561
@Texas thats genius! although i do have the "sporty" version!

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By zuko
#32566
Be fair, the two Silva Screen releases you mention are nowhere near $60, let alone $70
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By horseloverphat
#32567
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I’m amazed that some of these releases command the interest that they get.

A lot of the film soundtracks that people get hyped about… I’ve seen the films & I never thought: “I need that soundtrack” be it Sean of the Dead, Looper, Gravity, Inception… I rewatched Friday the 13th the other day & didn’t really remember the soundtrack being amazing?

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Yes...this is a very similar take to my my own.

The sound design for Friday 13th was very poor to begin with, there are awful reverbs/echoes and the like throughout. I always notice this when watching the film. The soundtrack itself is ok, iconic yes, but I wouldn't call it amazing.
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By zuko
#32569
@Peek-a-boo – Check out Jon Hopkins' score for Monsters (sadly no vinyl), it's pretty nice, but very mellow compared to his last album.
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By Peek-a-boo
#32570
@horseloverphat thanks, I'm glad you agree with some of my comments. For me, good music is good music & regardless of whatever genre. I buy anything & everything, but sometimes the forum throws up serious conundrums for me where I think: "what did I miss?"

@zuko I must check that, I'm fortunate enough to have a 3 day ticket to Pitchfork Festival in Paris in October & I can't wait to see Jon Hopkins!

By Pitch
#32572
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@zuko I must check that, I’m fortunate enough to have a 3 day ticket to Pitchfork Festival in Paris in October & I can’t wait to see Jon Hopkins!

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Saw Jon Hopkins live last week here in London - bloody amazing. Started chilled and ambient, gradually building up to club level techno! Fun because it was in an all seater classical venue - it took a few classic club triggers and people began to stand and dance - brilliant control of an audience. Then back down with a bit of unaccompanied piano. Masterful.
By siforster
#32574
Well. One thing's for sure, it's a whole different game for everyone here since this board was opened by two labels not that long ago. Where there was one, and then a couple, and then a couple more, there's now shedloads of labels all doing the same boutique thing with similar goals, grails and artists.
But it always was a business. Spencer didn't jack in his job at Rough Trade simply to pursue a hobby, he did so with clear idea of what he wanted, who he wanted to work with and how he was going to do it. I imagine that this is a similar tale for Seb, Justin et al. And it's a business that's ridiculously hard to make any money out of any more, I've got records here from the 90s that were "Limited" to 20,000 copies, now labels have to make do with trying to scratch a living from shifting 300-1500 thanks to low mainstream market interest, manufacturing issues and bigger labels jumping into the queue to release and repress garbage.

And it is a boutique industry. Death Waltz is The Art Of Soundtracks after all, and sets the bar to which pretty much every other vinyl-selling label looks to. We buy the music, the artwork and the coloured records pretty much in that order, and that's the order it probably should be. Other labels have taken this model to heart and we've done likewise with them, others have got the formula a bit wrong and are doing things to sort it out. I'm a lot more picky than I was a couple of years ago with regard to buying into this Soundtrack malarkey (because there's just far too much of it now!), but I'm still here, I'm still subscribing and I'm still interested in what's going on. I get grumpy because I'm a consumer who can't always get his own way, but having seen today bookended by witnessing a couple of nasty car crashes, I like to think that any gripes I've aired here are constructive or at the very least hilarious.

Criticism is good. Criticism points out things that ultimately benefit all of us. Mondo (to use the obvious example in this thread), a market leader in this genre, are actively and positively changing to appease their critics, they are doing so in a way that nobody here can really argue with and this can only be good news for Mondo, for Spencer and for us. Probably more so for the former two as this is where the money is going to end up unless we can organise ourselves enough to engage in some sort of coup.

Now all we need is for one or several of us to win big on the lottery of your geographical choice/penance so that we can build a factory to make record-making machinery again.
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By Peek-a-boo
#32581
Here here @Si & @Pitch I'm even more excited now - five weeks tomorrow I will be there!

Everyone here wants vinyl to stay around forever, it's an amazing place to be at the moment!
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By deathwaltz
#32601
Si perfecto.

My goal at Mondo is to improve both labels and create the defacto place for directors and composers to come too.

The market is SO crowded now it is kinda crazy , my thoughts are that we'll see a lot of dross coming out over the next week and then we'll see the wheels fall off and maybe 2 or 3 labels coming out unscathed , as for folks saying Mondo are hipsters , come on , they practically started this and they are all big record collectors and are really into vinyl so if folks could stop that it would be great becuase A) it borning & B) it isn't true.

I am really excited about joining Mondo , these guys are so passionate and I know that we can do great things , yes it is going to take some time and a lot of hard work from a lot of people but we wouldn't be doing this if we didn't think it was for the best.

I'm planning to make our presence at retail exceptional whilst keeping crazy ltd packages for our website and creating a tier system that everyone can buy into from casual buyers and super fans alike .

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By deathwaltz
#32602
Having a warped record is not the fault of the label .....

Records are delicate things they are manually pressed and open to problems . These things do unfortunately happen.

Have you thought that you havent had a reply yet because they were busy with MC (and believe me they were crazy busy)

things will get back to normal this week so sit tight and I am sure you'll get a replacement from them (us) .

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By deafmetal
#32610
Sounds great to me, Spencer. You have my support.
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By toosoonjunior
#32612
I anticipate this partnership can only be a good thing for this niche we love.
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By lazyben
#32615
That all sounds great Spencer. And is already more communication than the old mondo ever managed.

The hipster thing was actually a joke that most of the people reading in real time got (not all admittedly) but then took on a bit of a life of its own and now seems to be my unofficial catchphrase. It can probably be put to bed now anyway.

I assume the wheels falling off in a week thing was a typo. I'd give it at least a month :)

I'm going to be at beyond fest so you'll be welcome to punch me in the head/call me a hipster/let me buy you a beer then.
By karswell
#32634
Cheers Spencer looking forward to all the exciting developments :) Good Luck man!
By Pain_Bubbles
#32638
While I really like what Death Waltz and Waxworks are doing (Regular releases besides the expensive/rare variants). I find it absolutely impossible to defend Mondo: My order of Jurassic park has been a nightmare, and I had to turn to ebay to find a decent playing , black version. (which still has some weird low frequency distortion in parts) I am seriously considering just throwing my 65€ colored version in the trash, it's that bad, I could make a cool clock out of it, but that would only remind me of the money I wasted.
I have emailed them several times, but never got a response. Sadly I have had very similar experiences with other labels. (I am Shark for example)

So my gripe is not with the extravagant editions themselves, I have been known to splurge on stuff like Lustmord's "Sixty stone" edition, and absolutely love it.
My gripe is with the idea that it's accebtable to potentially (and often actually) compromise sound quality and longevity for a cool "swirl"/"splatter"/"transparant" color.
This is particularly frustrating when there are no regular vesrions, or when labels randomly insert the "variants".

The most common defect besides excessive surface noise are "Stitching", where the press "rips out" parts of the groove when releasing the record, and "Non-fill" where the liquid vinyl does not distribute evenly through the stamper.
Both defects occur mostly because the temperature of the mixture is off, and are a lot more common in (multi)colored and particularly transparent vinyl. Both also sound pretty similar: a repetetive pattern of "wooshing" or "Hissing" sounds, more often then not in a single channel at the beginning or end of a record.
These problems don't have to last the entire run, often the temperature stabilizes during pressing, so there might be records that don't have the flaws, but it sometimes affects so many records that exchainging them is useless.
I have had to return DOZENS of records with these defects over the last 2-3 years, almost all of them colored or transparent versions. (And alot of them, unfortunately, soundtracks from the labels present on this board)

This has several reasons:

The carbon black used for black vinyl actually strenghtens the vinyl, it also makes it smoother and more coherent, making pressing mishaps less likely to happen.
It might be worth mentioning that when vinyl pressing plants order "black vinyl" they can opt for a plastic compound especially developed for records, but when they order colored vinyl, thet just get regular plastic pellets, which might just as well ended up as toys or other plastic products and do not contain an effective homogenizing agent.
More often than not, different colors require different temperatures, increasing the chance of something going wrong even more.
This is why alot of colored vinyl often feels softer, sounds noisier, and wears a lot faster.
Now maybe, some modern black records no longer use the "real" vinyl mixture, but a different black colorant, and maybe effective vinyl mixtures have been developped in other colors (M.O.V.'s solid color pressings are surprisingly quiet and tough mostly)but in general, I'll always prefer black vinyl.

Pressing defects are also MUCH more visible on a black record, so any seasoned press-opereator will see something is going wrong and do something about it. If the press operator misses it, than there's still the chance the people from the record label spot it before they get shipped out.
And IF a black record with non fill gets through to the customer, I can simply take it back to the store and show the shopkeeper something's wrong with it, even if he doen't have a turntable on hand. That is, IF i was able to purchase it locally, and not at some webshop halfway across the world that somehow doesn't think my emails are worth answering.
(Hence my aversion against "exclusively sold by....")
By philball1974
#32649
Wow @pain I guess you needed to get that off your chest.
Personally I've never had a problem (touches wood) with any coloured or swirl. But saying that, when Godzilla was wrong I believe DW replaced them all hassle free.

I hear a lot of bad feelings toward JP I'm wondering if I've either got the only good copy it my ears are fucked and I simply can't tell! I will say I used to have a terribly crackly fog blakes edition until I changed my cartridge! Which fixed the fault with the vinyl.
By Pain_Bubbles
#32663
[quote=32649]I will say I used to have a terribly crackly fog blakes edition until I changed my cartridge! Which fixed the fault with the vinyl.
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My Copy of The fog (gold) was replaced 2 times before I had a decent one, still quite noisy, but at least without much of non-fill/stitching issues that plagued the first two copies.

Changing your cartridge can alleviate issues sometimes, the problem is that unless your cartridge was seriously worn or damaged, the record is probably still bad, the new cartridge might have a slightly (or completely) different stylus profile, which tracks the groove at a different depth. Chances are that when you change cartridges again in the future, the noise will be back.

It might be worth mentioning that I mainly listen to headphones, which can emphasise background noise and problems, but I encounter many, many problems with new vinyl that are so serious that they are also easily heard through loudspeakers.
What makes this extra frustrating is the knowledge that it doesn't have to be noisy: Shopping around for the best pressing plant, consider dropping the fancy color schemes, and upping the QC would work wonders IMHO.
Bought a 15€ Thomas Köner LP a few weeks back, regular black , thin vinyl with very low level ambient music on it, and it's as quiet as a CD, even over the most sensitive headphones.
By philball1974
#32665
Only the same as ASDA and Tesco selling the most CDs i suppose. If these shops get vinyl back into the mainstream consciousness then thats a good thing.

Music consumption is different now. Digital is king and services such as Spotify, Deezer or iTunes do so well because its easy to consume, and all this is a world were anyone can download any music for free. I've even seen DW Vinyls ripped and ready to be downloaded.

Its why for me all the effort that goes into the packaging of vinyl is so important, not the colour of the vinyl itself, but great art work, liner notes, care and attention is what is winning people back.

My kids love vinyl, they know no different, but they love to look at the shelf and select something and putting on the TT and seeing it physically move. Theres a cerebral connection between eyes and ears that enhances the experience of music.

So is it depressing? I don't know. in a way its comforting to know in the day and age a high street shop can still sell more than Amazon
By siforster
#32666
To be fair on UO, there's this little snippet that gets mentioned and rather sniffily dismissed:

"Urban Outfitters actually rents out shelf space to about 100 vendors without owning the stock itself."

So they're giving high street space (at a price, natch) to sellers who haven't got the wealth of cash to open and run a record store, which is rather a good way to get such ventures off the ground - because it's hard to imagine banks putting anything behind such a shop. And, like it or not, a lot of vinyl records sold are currently fashion statements anyway so there's a weird, horrible logic to having these available in such a space. That it's the largest physical presence shows that it's a good symbiosis for the time being, and it's a decent stepping stone for anyone daft enough to want to make a go of their passion.
By jdubtxn
#32692
Spencer I totally agree a bad pressing is unfortunate. But it has been a week since I messaged support twice and still no response. That is just bad business period. At least have a canned response to make buyers feel at least we are heard. I have my own business and I see the effect if I don't respond to a client within a couple hours of their message. Honestly if I didn't see Mondo trying to make changes by hiring a better manager I would be done.
By pyrexia
#32745
It might be worth mentioning that I mainly listen to headphones, which can emphasise background noise and problems, but I encounter many, many problems with new vinyl that are so serious that they are also easily heard through loudspeakers.

That is why I tend to avoid the color pressings if I can. I tend to find they have many more issues to my ears than a solid black pressing.
By siforster
#32746
Eh. I'm 43 and went to too many Faith No More shows when I was younger. I hear surface noise now when I open a window and put my head outside.
By synthxanderharris
#32761
I used to hate colored vinyl but I have to admit, when I received my copies of the Purple vinyl edition of "Snow Crash", they were super loud and without any hiss or scratches. I think it really depends on the master and the plant. I've had black vinyl editions of work that popped and hissed and didn't sit well with me. It's a give and take and not perfect. Weirdly, I like the crack and hiss, it's charming but I get that no one likes a really noisey release and that there are a lot of people that are into buying vinyl for the collector's aspect.

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Look, all the shade thrown at Mondo just seems weird to me and frankly, Spencer is a super nice guy. Sometimes I wonder if people just bitch just to hear themselves bitch. You can not like something, you can not participate in something, you can even insert harsh criticism but stop with the typical internet troll behavior of character assassination. It's not cool at all and completely un-necessary.